I had no intention of ever coming back to this board, but... (General Discussion)

by Thirsty @, Thursday, February 15, 2018, 20:19 (220 days ago)
edited by Thirsty, Thursday, February 15, 2018, 21:24

It had become more than obvious that my input was not wanted on this board. When I was about to post the third response (this was in the POOP thread), I was told the following:

Stay on one subject .Are you talking poop or stock market make up your mind?????????????

Just three or four topics down I had started a post about the stock market, there was very little discussion, just two posts.

Should I have posted four separate posts?

We had gun clubs in school and shooting ranges. And I had never heard of a school shooting until we voted in people to make it illegal for law abiding citizens to bring guns to school. We gave the green light to crazy people.

We pay people with guns to protect our important people, but we could not care less about our school children.

Had we never made schools and airports “GUN FREE ZONES” many thousands of people would not be in the boxes today and the twin towers would still be standing.

These shootings are happening in Gun Free Zones. The shooters know that the people there will have no way of defending themselves and that is why these tragedies are happening in these zones. We need to give teachers defense so it will discourage these psychopaths.

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by Suzie Q @, Thursday, February 15, 2018, 23:22 (220 days ago) @ Thirsty

I agree with your stand on gun control......except it's NOT gun control.......it's people control. I make no apology for being conservative. You would think that liberals would be in favor of everyone having a gun, but they are only in favor of gay marriage, gender-neutral bathrooms and abortion........anything to control the people!

I was in a small group of acquaintances earlier today and in the course of the conversation, two things happened......

When I made mention that I had voted for President Trump, an older gentleman...probably late 80's plus......just happened to have a scissors in his hand and turned it towards me like he was going to stab me......he was too far away to reach me so I wasn't scared, but I'm thinking 'what the ???'. Why can we not discuss this stuff without being threatened?? I do not call anyone an idiot or stupid because they do not agree with me as others have done to me when I didn't agree with them.

Another lady picked up on the discussion and said she voted for Donald Trump because she couldn't stand Hillary Clinton. While I was dismayed that Donald Trump was the last Republican candidate standing, I definitely couldn't vote for Hillary Clinton because political things just didn't add up in my mind and now as things unfold, we had every right to be concerned. The lady friend voiced her opinion about 'The Wall'. We just don't 'need' it. I told her, China had a great wall and you don't see Mexicans over there......my humor was lost on her....oh, well.

But for those that think we don't need a physical barrier, how about if you leave your doors unlocked and then put a sign out front to advertise that fact?? How safe would you feel and actually be? Or leave your car doors unlocked? Other countries have physical barriers.......I have heard Mexico has one.......

In order to be a peace-keeping nation, we have to have laws and the people have to obey them. Illegal aliens break the very first law that applies to them by crossing the border to begin with. Statistics show that the illegals are generally the ones that continue to break the law. Those on visa's or with green cards are working to fit in and make a contribution. I have no problem with a logical immigration program. We are way out in the boonies here in NE WI, but there are help wanted signs all over the place. Every single day I get an email from an employment group listing NO LESS than 5 companies in the area that are looking for workers. The good part is with a shortage of workers, companies will be likely to pay a better wage to get and keep a good employee. Even CNA's were offered a $1000 sign on bonus payable in three installments by some companies. Do we live in a great country or what??

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by Smokey, Friday, February 16, 2018, 06:06 (220 days ago) @ Thirsty

Yes Thirsty, there were guns everywhere, right along with every opportunity to fire them. However, there was also respect for self, others, and life in general. Then the Viet Nam war came along and drafted our young boys. How many wars have we had since then? Thank goodness the draft has been discontinued. Drugs of all kinds became popular and are now the norm. Drug babies are born. AND drug babies have health issues, mental health issues among them. Volunteer in a school, become an adopted grandparent to a class of elementary students or set foot into a middle school. The number of behavior disordered/psychotic students you encounter will take your breath away.

Have you played video games? Have seen the violence? The blood? The massive gun violence against your "enemies"? It's fun and games, it's not real (virtual is the word), but our youth cannot decipher virtual from reality because to them it all blends together.

Times have changed over the generations. Our youth is far removed from the what our young people are experiencing and there is no going back. We will all survive the Trump Administration, I have no doubt about that. However, what choices will we have in the future? As time moves forward, our young people seem to become more deviant.

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by Kenny K, Friday, February 16, 2018, 07:55 (220 days ago) @ Thirsty

Thirsty, please don't stay away. I enjoy your posts very much!!!

Let me start by saying that I think this is a mental health and cultural (lack of religion and a sense of empathy) issue.

I too want this violence to end, but I honestly cannot think of a way to do this involving guns.

We'd be insane to outlaw all guns, not to mention the 2nd amendment. Then the good guys would be easy victims for the criminals who will still get guns illegally.

I also don't believe that only cops and the like should have guns. That prevents us from protecting ourselves and our families, because for sure a cop won't be there all the time. Unfortunately, I tend to think their primary roll is post-violence.

Would go to bolt-action rifles, revolver hand guns, and the like only? Would that really stop the carnage of someone intent on doing harm? I honestly don't think so. A pump shotgun filled with buckshot is beast of a weapon. Weren't many of the rifles/handguns used in WW2 of this type?

I'm OK with smaller magazines - within reason. They already do that for hunting in some places. I really think that is the only answer that makes sense.

Honestly, now that so many semi-automatic guns are out there I do not think we can make them illegal. Then the honest law-abiding folks will not have them, and the criminals and crazy people will still be able to get them illegally - if they are illegal.

Automatic guns are already illegal. It should be nearly impossible to get them.

And someone who violates gun laws should face VERY stiff penalties. Make it HURT!! I know I work very hard to make sure my gun ownership is legal and safe. If someone is found selling/owning/carrying an over-sized magazine - give them BIG a giant fine and/or time in jail - I'm fine with that. And maybe forbid them from owning a gun for a number of years or forever.

Most importantly, we need to have the courage to let authorities know when someone might - just might - be a mentally troubled and/or dangerous to them self or others.

That said, I think the social and legal "stigma" associated with having had mental health issues actually prevents many from identifying others or from getting help themselves.

In my own world I've known someone who needed some help as a teenager - not an uncommon thing, but then as an adult had to spend many thousands of dollars proving to society that they here perfectly fine (safe).

... and we need the authorities to act when those mentally dangerous have been identified!

Personally, I think this is a mental health issue - not a gun issue. Not just for the person, but also for the system that we've created that stamps a big fat ugly scary label on those who seek treatment for mental health issues. Seeking mental help should be no different than seeking medical help.

Thanks for listening to my thoughts. I promise to respect your thoughts, though I may disagree.

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by Kenny K, Friday, February 16, 2018, 09:28 (220 days ago) @ Kenny K

I'm not sure if the source for this article is too extreme to be believable, but it's a good read.

Australia made semi-automatic guns (and shotguns) illegal after a 1996 mass shooting. Many claim this has stopped mass killing since that time. This article looks at how/if that could work in the U.S.


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by Kenny K, Friday, February 16, 2018, 09:41 (220 days ago) @ Kenny K

One of my comments to my wife was "How did that guy even get in the school?"

My kid's schools were locked down during the day. To get in your either had to have keys to outside doors or enter through the front office.

I think most public buildings that need security, especially schools, should have pass-though entrances that require you to get let in via a remote lock.

Even windowed entrances should have the windows in a strong "cage" (steel or strong aluminum) such that even if you break the windows, you still can't just walk or climb in.

I also think that there should be some way so that even if the "guard" was overcome, the intruder would not know how to open the secondary door.

I used to work at a fairly secure facility in Michigan. We had to enter a corridor with locking doors front & back, the door toward the parking lot would lock, then each person had to place their badges in front of a camera, and only after once all of those in the corridor had shown their badges then the entry door was unlocked. Once all were out, the entry door would lock and the parking lot door would unlock to begin the cycle again. It worked.

Yeah, I know that a fire alarm could get people outside into the public area and bad things could happen there. The truth is that if someone wants to kill people ... they will do it.

THIS is why I think it is a mental health/empathy issue.

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by mrse @, NORTHERN WI, Friday, February 16, 2018, 19:29 (219 days ago) @ Thirsty

Glad to see you posting again.:-) :-) :-)

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by sparky @, Sunday, February 18, 2018, 21:35 (217 days ago) @ Thirsty

I learned one thing about posting on the message board, read what you wrote before you post it. Sometimes I write the dumbest things and I have to rewrite them, so think before you post. No 2,,,,When answering a post, answer to what the post is about, don't throw your own stories in it, because then people get mixed up, and don't know what you're talking about. P S, Sometimes no one answers my posts either.....NO problem. Like the stock market, I don't have any and not interested in it.....

St. Norbert High School in the early fifties.........

by Thirsty @, Tuesday, February 20, 2018, 15:27 (216 days ago) @ Thirsty
edited by Thirsty, Tuesday, February 20, 2018, 17:43

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