Hunters without Semi-Automatic Guns (Political Discussion)

by Kenny K, Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 17:44 (29 days ago)

I put this into the Political Discussion category, just in case it heads that direction, but that is not really my intent. I'd really like to limit the focus here to hunting, and not self-defense, target shooting, or other considerations.

I am not a hunter. I did some squirrel hunting using a pump shotgun as a teen (how it was done in that area), but I've not hunted since.

I'd like to hear from people who are hunters. I'm wondering what would be the impact on hunting - or reaction from hunters - if semi-automatic guns (hand, rifle, shot) were prohibited in the U.S. as they apparently have been in Australia.

Thanks for your insight.

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by EM, Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 20:47 (28 days ago) @ Kenny K

If I was still hunting rabbit and pheasant like I did when I was in my 20's I'd say it wouldn't effect me . My favorite gun was an old single shot Iver Johnson .410 . Deer hunters would have to go back to grandpa's old bolt action . Reguardless of what gets banned and what doesn't , it still doesn't account for the 220 million or so guns that are already out there , legally and illegally. Maybe here is a simple solution , since the guns out there aren't going to go away , what does every gun use ??? Ammunition, ban 7.62 and .225 ammo . That leaves .22 and shotgun shells for the hunters .

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by Wheels, Thursday, February 22, 2018, 11:49 (28 days ago) @ EM

Just to keep things straight, if you are referring to the ammo that AR 15's use, it is not .225, it's .223. All major rifle manufacturers make bolt action rifles in .223 caliber. Those already owned would become obsolete. Now the ammo ban has made it's way from semi auto to bolt action. Every change has more changes down the line. The armed forces of this country use AR 15's in .223 caliber. Police forces also use them. So a .223 ammo ban is not going to happen. If it did, a black market would pop up and the ammo would still be out there for the criminal to get. Hundreds of thousands of shooting enthusiasts reload their own ammo. Would all .223 reloading tools end up being banned?

I know two things for sure. If a right granted to us under the constitution is taken away, you will never get it back. Then there is the second thing in that line of thought. Take away one and the door opens for the others. Once that slippery slope starts, our country will, as we know it, be gone. This very thing has happened before, with disastrous results.

I am a firm believer that I have the right to defend my person and property with the same firearm or ammunition that the criminal has, no matter if he, or she, obtained it legally or not.

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by Tater, Thursday, February 22, 2018, 00:22 (28 days ago) @ Kenny K

Interesting discussion. Could be approached by many angles. Semi-auto shotguns are quite popular with pheasant and rabbit hunters. In many areas these aren't useful due to the requirement of a plug (limiting shotshells) for duck, and goose hunting etc. I hunt often with several elderly hunters who prefer a semi-auto over a pump. I personally (this sounds weird to many) prefer a revolver or break action shotgun. Due to the fact that it's use, limits littering.

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by Kenny K, Thursday, February 22, 2018, 06:12 (28 days ago) @ Tater

From what I read online hunter surveys tend to find that they can live without semi-automatic guns. The only real negative appears to be getting accurate second shots when waterfowl hunting. I get that. Based on talking with people who hunt deer with shotgun slugs I can see where having a fast & accurate second shot could help stop an injured deer (less suffering).

The hunter surveys suggest that semi-automatics tend to waste ammunition and not provide much real benefit to the hunters, but I wanted first hand insight.

The makeup of the wads and shot is an interesting dilemma. Again, since I'm not an active hunter I'm not up to speed on what materials are used now, but I do see lots of wads laying around my property ... and hope they are made of material that degrades rather quickly (I think adding cornstarch or similar to plastic helps that).

I used to have an above ground pool, and it fairly often had shotgun pellets rusting at the bottom, which means they are steel shot and not lead. I wonder if - but don't really understand the side-effects - that lead shot/bullets should be outlawed for hunting and outdoor target shooting - anywhere shot can get into the environment. Not sure if there are bullet material alternatives that will be provide a "humane kill for larger game.

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject!!

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